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	Prophetess wrote:
	I just started this thread. I will back shortly with the research I have done. But feel free to start it of SAINTS.

OK, the 1k reign end with the battle of Armageddon?

In Short, Here are the three millenial views:

PREMILLENNIALISM
"SECOND COMING BEFORE THE MILLENNIUM"
Definition
Also referred to as CHIALISTS, refers to the second coming of Jesus Christ to earth PRIOR TO the 1000 year reign – or the millennium.
Characteristics
1. Christ will return at the end of THIS AGE with His saints to the earth to reign for 1000 years as King.
2. In the millennium the nation Israel will experience the blessing God promised to
Abraham and David pertaining to Israel’s Land, Nationality or (seed), and Throne.
N.T. believers will likewise share in some measure in the covenant blessing having been
engrafted into the one people of God (Romans 11). Summary found in Rev. 20:4-6; cf. also IS. 11; 65.
Important Advocates
Clement, Polycarp, Ignatius, Tertullian, Cyprian, Tyndale, some Anabaptists, Moravians, Mennonites, John Wesley, Ryrie, Walvoord, Graham, Criswell, Patterson, Erickson, Akin, Mohler, Swindoll, and MacArthur.




POSTMILLENNIALISM
"SECOND COMING AFTER THE MILLENNIUM"
Definition
Christ’s second coming will occur after the millennium.
Characteristics
The church is not the kingdom but it will bring in the kingdom (a utopian, Christianized condition) by the preaching of the gospel. Evolutionary process for some – "New age" idea that we are getting better and better and better! Christ does not return at all for these.

Christ will not be on the earth during the kingdom. He will rule in the hearts of people,
but will return after the millennium. (conservative postmill).

Not a literal 1000 year millennium. The church – not Israel will receive the fulfillment of the promises to Abraham and David in a spiritual sense.
Important Advocates
Daniel Whitby, Johnathan Edwards, Charles Wesley, Charles Hodge, A.A. Hodge, Augustus Strong, B.H. Carroll, G.W. Truett.




AMILLENNIALISM
"NO LITERAL MILLENNIUM"
Definition
There will be no literal historical reign of Christ on earth for 1000 years.
Characteristics
The kingdom reign of Christ and His saints is in existence for the period of time between
Christ’s two advents. (Actually is happening now.) The kingdom is either the church on earth (Augustine’s view now perpetuated by the Roman Catholic Church) and/or the saints in heaven (Warfield’s view).

The promises to Israel about a land, seed and throne
are thus completely fulfilled now in a spiritual sense in the church.
Important Advocates
Origen, Augustine, Roman Catholic Church, wycliffe, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, B.B. Warfield, L. Berkhof.
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Here IS a MORE Detailed view of the Millenial Regins from the brothers in the Berean Councils debate team..It gets very interesting:

Intro

The Amillennialist believes that the Coming of the Lord will be visible, physical, literal and final. Christ's appearing will usher in the end of the age, the beginning of eternity and time shall be no more. It will be the final and eternal separation of the righteous and the wicked and will see the introduction of the new heaven and earth.

We believe the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20 is symbolic of the entire span of time between the cross and his return. At the first advent of Christ Satan was bound by Christ's victory over him. The effect of this victory continues due to the presence of the kingdom of God via the preaching of the gospel. It is through the teaching and subsequent spread of the gospel that Satan is no longer free to deceive the nations. Christ is presently reigning in heaven and will continue to do so until His return. At the end of this age, great apostasy occurs, Satan is released, Jesus Christ returns in final judgment for all people, the general resurrection occurs, and he establishes a new heaven and earth.

Our Approach to Bible Interpretation

The mode of hermeneutics of any school of thought must perfectly correlate with the consistent and explicit teaching of Scripture. The only sure way to interpret Scripture is with other Scripture. 2 Peter 1:20 says, “no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.” The foremost consideration when studying Scripture must be to establish the contextual meaning of the text, whether it is literal, symbolic or parabolic, and what and when it relates to. We must also let other Scripture corroborate our understanding of it and shed further light on the meaning of the text in question. We must always interpret Scripture in a manner that does not conflict with other clear passages. If it does, that interpretation must be rejected and further study should be committed to determine the correct interpretation that harmonizes with the full context of Scripture. 2 Corinthians 13:1 highlights a Divine evidential imperative, which if ignored will bring Bible students into all forms of strange teaching. It states, “In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” If ever there is a passage in the Word of God that needs to be examined and understood in the light of the plain, simple teaching found elsewhere within the canon of Scripture, it is the much-debated symbolic narrative of Revelation 20.

The Kingdom of God

The kingdom of God exists wherever the King – the Lord Jesus Christ – exercises His intimate spiritual jurisdiction. The kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom and incorporates the whole domain over-which the Lord Jesus Christ exercises His Divine kingship, dominion and intimate rule. It includes heaven (and all those who are in heaven) – the place where with the kingdom is centered and administrated. That is why Matthew frequently described the kingdom of God as the kingdom of heaven. Notwithstanding, it also includes the full extent of the true Church / the spiritual temple of God and the body of Christ on earth. It is therefore the whole realm in which the rule of man becomes the rule of God; it is the area where the law of God and of righteousness is pre-eminent. Romans 14:17-18 says, “For the kingdom of God is … righteousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.” His kingdom embodies all those who possess the indwelling Holy Spirit – those who are born-again of the Spirit of God. Christ’s kingdom is therefore found wherever there are citizens of that Kingdom. 1 Corinthians 4:20 says, “the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power (or) dunámei.”

The kingdom Christ brought at His first Advent was a spiritual domain. Nowhere in the words of Christ or anywhere else in the New Testament does it suggest He would reign over a physical kingdom (of natural Israel) on a physical throne in Jerusalem as some claim. Rather, He sits today upon a heavenly throne as heavenly king. When He returns again at His all-consummating Second Advent He introduces His eternal kingdom on earth. It is then that this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality (1 Corinthians 15:53-54). The kingdom is therefore more than a heavenly hope and more than a future promised state. Whilst we believe in the current ongoing spiritual reality of the kingdom of God, we believe that the kingdom will come in all its final eternal glory at the Second Advent.

When Christ appeared at His first advent, the Jews imagined He would reinstate the now defunct earthly throne of Israel and reign victorious over the physical nation, restoring their ancient borders. They believed that the appearance of Messiah would usher in a period of physical and spiritual bliss for Israel in which their enemies would be totally destroyed. The Jewish expectation was a literal visible territorial kingdom of which the Messiah the King would rule over. They believed He would immediately destroy every enemy that withstood the house of Israel. Their mistaken thinking was guided by a hyper-literalist attitude to Old Testament Messianic prophecies. These Christ confronted and exposed in His teaching. This expectation of a literal visible territorial kingdom was wrong, and revealed the ignorance which controlled the Jews at that time. They had a defective perception of the nature of God’s kingdom and the manner in which it would appear.

Luke 17:20-21 records an interesting discourse between Christ and the Pharisees on the subject of the kingdom of God, saying, "He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come." Christ immediately replied, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within (or) entos (Strong’s 1787) you." When Christ says "the kingdom of God is within you" it can only mean that the kingdom of God is a present reality within the spiritual realm which one enters by faith. No other explanation makes sense with his statement. His kingdom will continue to grow (Mark 4:30-31) until such a time that it is complete and full of all those he has chosen. There will come a day when He will choose to return for His people and hand over the kingdom to the Father.

Several parables speak of his return in judgment, the parable of the sheep and the goats is most notable. Let us remember that parables speak to us of heavenly things in earthly terms so that those with faith may understand God's plan. Within the sheep and goats parable we see the end time harvest and just rewards handed to all mankind the righteous receive eternal life and the wicked receive eternal punishment. In keeping with that parable there are several others which view the return of Christ from different angles but do not diminish the basic concept of finality. Christ says of his kingdom that it is not of this world, he says it is within us, so there is a logical conclusion to be drawn from this. Since the kingdom is a present reality within us collectively as the church there is not going to be a future kingdom which has yet to be brought to fruition. What would be the purpose of such a future temporal kingdom?

True Israel

God’s sovereign eternal plan and purpose for mankind was to call out, and then sanctify, a holy people unto Himself with whom He could have unspoiled intimate spiritual communion, and thus be glorified in. That design of God involved sending His only begotten Son – the Lord Jesus Christ – to redeem a particular people unto Himself, by the voluntary shedding of His blood. Through this act of atonement, the wrath of God was appeased in the redeemed, His justice was satisfied and the elect of God were graciously reconciled unto the living God. Even though the grace of God was promised to the spiritual offspring of the Patriarch of “many nations,” this spiritual favor was largely restricted to the populace of national Israel between the time of Abraham and Christ. This is not to say Gentiles were excluded, as many were converted and joined the nation of Israel. During the time of Abraham, the worship of God took on a more formal approach in the way of an organized religion, this involved God establishing a central focal point for the collective worship of the people of God in the form of a tabernacle/temple which was but a copy and shadow of heaven. This was kept exclusively within the national boundaries of physical Israel – a small geographical landmass in global terms.

Notwithstanding, at the cross, this all changed. Salvation was widened out to freely embrace the Gentile people, and therefore all nations, thus fulfilling this ancient promise to Abraham and making the grace of God a universal reality. We learn in the New Testament, the plan of salvation is open to all types of men irrespective of color, nationality, gender or natural ability. However, not all will enter into the redemptive work of Christ in salvation. This salvation and redemption is acquired by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. Ephesians 2:11-13 confirms how things have all changed since the cross, saying, “ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

The word rendered “commonwealth” in the King James Version is the Greek word politeia (Strong’s 4174) which simply means citizenship or community. We the Church of Jesus Christ today (those washed in the blood of the Lamb) have now graciously entered into “the citizenship of Israel” through the work of in Christ to believing Jews of all time and have become fellow citizens of the Israel of God today. We therefore enjoy the same spiritual hope, the Cross. The text expressly says that “ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.” We believing Gentiles have been unified and are made subject unto the same “covenants of promise”. The Gentiles today have not replaced the Old Testament Jews; they are being grafted in among them into the one eternal spiritual organism “in Christ.” We, of faith, both Jew and Gentile, are now part of God's spiritual olive tree. We have become part of that choice spiritual seed of Abraham – by faith. No one therefore is ever replaced, only added to. Amillennialists hold that the promises made to Israel, David and Abraham in the Old Testament find their fulfillment in Jesus Christ and His redeemed of every nation, race, and tongue thereafter, with no one who believes in Him being omitted, replaced, or left out.

We believe that the popular elevation of the Jewish race by many modern-day Christians is in grave violation of the repeated teaching of Scripture, which recognizes no such division between Jew and Gentile. Galatians 6:15 says, "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature." Such a belief emanates out of a wrong understanding of who the elect of God are in this New Testament era, and consequently, a complete ignorance to the absolute unity and oneness of the one people of God throughout time. There are not two olive trees, there are not two chosen peoples, there is but one harmonious redemptive tree. Those that belong to that tree have entered in by faith and are the only chosen people God accepts. They become grafted onto the olive tree in God’s only appointed way for salvation, the way of Christ and the way of the Cross. Romans 10:4 says, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." In short, the promises of God in the Old Testament find their fulfillment in Christ not in the world.

The nation of Israel as a physical people enjoys no promises or no salvation outside of Christ. There are no exemptions for any race outside of God’s sole provision. There are no promises or inheritances outside of faith in Christ and what He has purchased for the sinner at Calvary. For “in Christ” and “through Christ” and “by Christ” is every spiritual blessing acquired. Romans 11:36 says, “For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.” Jesus said, in John 3:36, “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” I John 2:22-23 solemnly asks, “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”

It is manifest that man’s own natural birthplace, birth date (pre or post Calvary), gender or his physical appearance (circumcised or not) has absolutely nothing to do with his own personal standing before God. Physical circumcision is not the mark of regeneration as some think but spiritual circumcision identifies the manifestation of the work and ministry of the Spirit of God in the believer. Colossians 3:10 says, "there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all." Those Israelites that reject Christ (namely the overwhelming populace of natural Israel at the moment) are not God’s chosen people. They are viewed like any other Christ-rejecters throughout the world by God as wicked. Remember, Acts 10:34 declares, “God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.” The wrath of God is upon the wicked regardless of nationality, race, gender or color. God judges the wicked, but blesses the righteous. To suggest anything other is to offer a false hope and totally contradict Christ’s message to the same Christ-rejecters in His day. He said to them “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.”

Revelation 20

Going to Revelation 20 and the thousand years, the only way one can properly understand John's visions and make logical connections with the rest of the New Testament is for the thousand years to be symbolic of the present kingdom which now resides within us. Any other understanding is fanciful wishful thinking that perverts and distorts the clear and unambiguous teachings elsewhere in the New Testament.

We believe Revelation 20 illustrates the great spiritual restraint that Christ has placed upon Satan and his kingdom and the reduction in the incredible scope he once enjoyed in deceiving all the nations. The passage describes the constrained position the kingdom of darkness now experiences since the Cross. Revelation 20 does not in any way teach that Satan is currently physically bound, but rather spiritually bound. After all, how can a spiritual being like Satan who cannot be seen with the human eye be bound with a literal physical chain? We take "the bottomless pit" to be the current spiritually bound condition of the demonic world (as demonstrated in 2 Peter 2:4, Jude v6). Notwithstanding, in that restrained invisible state they can still manifest "on earth."

The symbolic thousand years / Satan’s little season covers the intra-Advent period. Satan is spiritually bound during the symbolic thousand years to let the Gospel go out to the ethnos (or the Gentiles). He is then released for a little season following this period, up until the Coming of the Lord.

The Coming of the Lord is climactic

We believe that the Second Coming is all-consummating and that it ushers in the complete end of all things old, temporal, sinful and corrupt. His return introduces the beginning of all things new, eternal, righteous and God-glorifying. Christ says of His climactic Coming, "the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new” (Revelation 21:5). The new eternal state is ushered in by the conflagration at Christ's Coming (2 Peter 3:10-11) and sees the replacement of this corrupt sin-cursed world with a eternally righteous new earth (2 Peter 3:13).

We believe the Second Coming witnesses the total destruction of the world/wicked and a general resurrection / judgment. The link between the creature and creation is unquestionable. When man fell then all creation experienced the consequences and fell with him. Genesis 3:17-19 confirms this, when God tells Adam, “Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee.” Equally, when man is finally glorified at Christ’s Coming, being immediately and eternally freed from the “bondage of corruption” then all creation similarly parallels him. It is then that He will destroy this swiftly decaying arrangement and replace it with a new economy.

We believe that both the wicked (in total) and the righteous (in total) are judged at the Second Coming and that each receives their eternal destiny at that time. The ark door is finally closed. At His Coming, Christ finally and eternally destroys the curse by removing every semblance of the bondage of corruption from creation. The fiery conflagration regenerates this earth and restores it to it pristine pre-fall state. It is cleansed of every impurity and renewed to a glorified state. This current earth will experience the same deliverance from the curse that the elect do upon His return. The earth will be changed in a similar way that our corrupt mortal bodies will. This corruptible earth will indeed put on incorruption.

The new earth ushers in the eternal state. Romans 8 tells us it is free from the bondage of corruption [all the fruit of the fall]. It is for glorified (incorruptible) beings only. 1 Corinthians 15:50 clearly states, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” This reading makes plain, “flesh and blood” or mortal believers cannot inherit a glorified earth that has been purified by fire of every last vestige of the curse. Man in his sinful corruptible state cannot inherit an incorruptible regenerated earth. Nothing could be plainer. The "unrighteous shall not inherit" this "kingdom" (1 Corinthians 6:9) Psalm 37:9-11 says, "For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace." The meek alone possess the new earth - those that have been redeemed by His precious blood.

This is also from the Berean Council Debate team. THis forum shows how Debates should be conducted...


INTRODUCTION AND STATEMENT OF POSITION

The view presented and defended here is the ancient teaching of the church known as “Chiliasm.” This view is earlier than dispensationalism, earlier than amillennialism, earlier than Augustinianism, and is in fact, the earliest teaching of the historic Christian church being preserved by Early Church Fathers such as Justin Martyr, Ignatius, and Irenaeus who defended it against the competing opinions of the Gnostics.

Chiliasm holds that the material world was created perfect, was cursed because of sin, but will one day be restored to the state that God originally designed it. Chiliasts believe that man was created to dwell on this earth and that the destiny and hope of believers is Christ's coming eschatological Kingdom in which the physical creation will be redeemed from the bondage of corruption, our vile bodies will be resurrected and glorified and the Messiah will reign over this world in a Kingdom that will never pass away.

The history of redemption began before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4; 1 Pe 1:20; Rev 13:8). But “when the fullness of the times had come,” the second Person of the Trinity “became flesh and dwelt among us” and purchased our redemption with His blood. Redemption was sealed when Jesus was resurrected from the dead in the very same body in which He suffered and died and in which He ascended after 40 days to sit down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. And redemption and will be consummated when He returns "in like manner" to rule and reign over this world in fulfillment of scores of prophecies. Our physical bodies are destined for salvation as well as our spirits. Christ’s resurrection as “the firstfruits” guarantees this. But this redemption and restoration is also promised for the material creation of which our individual bodies are merely a part.


SCRIPTURAL FOUNDATION

According to Genesis 1:31, the material world and every living creature within it, was “tov me’od,” very good, as originally created. All this changed in Genesis 3 with the fall of Adam. Adam and his descendents were cursed with physical death. And not only did "death pass upon all men," but the physical creation was also cursed because of man’s sin.

17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:
“ Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.” Genesis 3


But according to Acts 3:21, the hope of the apostolic church was “the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.”

What is this “restoration of all things” which all the holy prophets wrote about? And what is included in “all things”? The word for restoration is “apokatastasis.” As a noun, it is found only here in the New Testament, however, the verb form of this word is found eight times (Matthew 12:13; 17:11; Mark 3:5; 8:25; 9:12; Luke 6:10; Acts 1:6; Hebrews 13:19). It means to restore to a former state.

Of the eight times it is used in the NT, three times it refers to the man with the withered hand whose hand “was restored” as whole as the other. Once it refers to a blind man who “was restored” so that he saw everyone clearly. Twice it refers to Elijah who will “restore all things” before the Day of the Lord. Once it refers to the restoration of the kingdom to Israel. And lastly, it refers to Paul’s restoration to the Hebrew Christians. In the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament) it refers to Elijah restoring the hearts of the fathers to the children (Mal 4) and of the restoration of Israel when she is regathered out of all the nations into which she has been driven (Ezekiel 16; Jeremiah 16, 23).

This theme of restoration is one of the dominant themes of the Old Testament prophetic books. We offer here a sampling of what is described in these passages. According to what “God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began,”


Israel will be spiritually converted, regathered out of all the nations under heaven and restored to the land of Canaan, promised to them as an eternal inheritance (Jer 31; Eze 11 and 36).
Isaiah and Zechariah say blessing will not be restricted to Israel, but foretell blessings of the believing Gentiles in the kingdom (Is 56 and Zech 14).
The topography of the land of Palestine will change suddenly and drastically at the return of Christ (Rev 16; Zech 14; Haggai 2;Is 29, 40; Mic 4).
Wars will cease (Mic 4).
There will be perfect justice and equity (Is 9; 11; 32).
Holiness will characterize God's people and their land and possessions (Zech 14).
The blind will see; the dumb will speak; the deaf will hear; the cripple will walk; sickness will be cured(Is 29, 33, 35).
Grief will be transformed into joy(Is 61).
The streets of Jerusalem will be filled with the sound of joyful crowds and playing children (Zech 8).
The curse will be lifted from the physical earth and consequently there will be no thorns or briars and the desert will blossom as the rose (Is 35).
There will be abundant rain with great fertility and plentiful flocks and herds (Is 30).
Possessions will be held in safety and security (Mic 4).
The ground will be so fertile that "the ploughman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed..." (Amos 9).
The animal world will lose its venom and fierceness (Is 11).
Jesus Christ will be the supreme king (Ps 2;Zech 14) with David resurrected and reigning subject to Him (Eze 45; 46).

The Bible does not present the period following the return of Christ as the final stage of human history. The Scriptures referenced above speak of a long period of peace and restoration, but not the final elimination of sin and death. Chiliasm understands the Scriptures to teach that Christ will reign over the nations with a rod of iron. During this reign sin will be held in check and Christ will subdue all His enemies under His feet. At the end of this period, Satan will be released from His prison for a short time and will gather an army of unbelievers to mount one final assault on Christ and His saints. This will not succeed as this army will be consumed by fire out of heaven. This will be immediately followed by the resurrection of the unjust and the Great White Throne Judgment. Sin an death will be permanently banished from Christ’s kingdom on earth as the eternal state commences.


THE HISTORICAL CONTRARY OPINION

In contrast to this historical teaching of the apostolic church, the Gnostics believed that the material world was evil and unredeemable. They [the Gnostics] believe the goal of salvation was to attain to a higher “spiritual” reality and to escape the lower “material" creation through the accumulation of mystical knowledge. Their “hope” was not any continued existence in this created order but rather to escape this created order to live in a “spiritual” existence in the “pleroma.” This was in stark contrast to the hope portrayed consistently in the Scriptures of the Prophets (OT), continued in the Scriptures of the Apostles (NT), and taught uniformly by the apostolic and post-apostolic churches.

While the Early Church Fathers dealt a decisive blow to first and second century Gnosticism, many elements of Gnostic teaching nevertheless crept into the church gradually over the next few centuries. This can be shown to begin with the Alexandrian school and the writings of Origin, to developed further through the writings of Augustine, later to be firmly entrenched in Catholicism and carried over into Reformed theology. One such element of this teaching was the concept of a “heavenly destiny” in contrast to the destiny consistently promised in Scripture: “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.” (Matthew 5:5)


HERMENEUTICS

Chiliasts believe that the position articulated here is the position that results from a natural reading of both the Old and New Testaments. Or stated conversely, a normal reading of Scripture in which the words are taken at face value fully apprehending the mystery of the Gospel which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets leads naturally to Chiliasm. All contrary opinions including amillennialism, postmillennialism and traditional dispensationalism are based on various degrees of non-literal interpretation and fail to deal forthrightly and truthfully with all of the Scriptural data. Thus, all of these systems are partial concessions to Gnosticism and the logical culmination of this trend is full preterism, or a complete return to Gnosticism.

Now there was not real debate concerning Post-Millenial because that was the view that most christians follow anyway. I have posted this study in Jesus Power, but it did not get enough responses. I beleive it is because this topic is confusing to alot of christians. My thing is simply this:

Revelations are the things that was, is, and is to come. Therefore, the chronilogical events in which it is written does not make it the chronological event in how things occur. There was a MASS persectution of the Church already, with heretics and beheadings that seem to coincide PERFECTLY with Bible teachings. And when I say PERFECTLY SAINTS, I mean down to the letter!!!! Not only did it fit perfectly, but the details of the deaths were indeed fitting. So , Iguess my question is, will history repeat itself? Or has this been done already..

	Prophetess wrote:
	... my question is, will history repeat itself? Or has this been done already..

IMHO: history is like the orbiting of the planets. All the planet orbit the Sun in a repeating pattern, history likewise repeats its orbits, but at only one point do all the planets align. The same goes with the fulfillment of prophecy. Historical events fit portions of a prophecy, but at only one point does the repetition equate to fulfilling all points of a prophecy.

Solar system = a certain prophecy
Planet = a historical event
Sun = Son