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| What is the wrath of God? |
| It is revealed when God's patience and mercy is no longer sufficeint. |
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| It is revealed when God gets mad about our sin. |
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| It is revealed when God allows us to live in our sin. |
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| Something else; please explain below. |
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Goober_JIL
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| Sun May 27, 2007 9:54 am |
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We have to understand that God does not want anyone of us to perish and His love and patience for us is WHY He has not returned to take us back home with Him .But the day is fast approaching when the great day of His wrath will come and WHO will be able to stand?
Let us be among that standing number....this I pray!
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t is revealed when God's patience and mercy is no longer sufficeint. |
I could not vote...but that would be the closest to my vote.
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| Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:19 am |
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Forget-me-Not
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| Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:21 am |
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Goober_JIL
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Now I thank the quoted kiwi that voted!
I am hoping for some more comments before I comment on this topic.
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| Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:15 pm |
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Misfit
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I voted something else, because God fore-knew the appointed time. I do not think He ever runs out of patience, but that simply put He set a time limit.
Wrath is divine retribution for the sin of not agreeing with God about His Son. This is the one sin that condems sinners to eternal (wrathful) fire.
Sinners who shall experience God's wrath shall do so because they disagree with God that Christ is His Son who died as a substitute for us on the cross.
He was the propitiation required for that, and all sins. Propitiation means the price (for our sins) was satisfied before God.
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| Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:43 am |
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Goober_JIL
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OK, I voted, now that my suspicions have been confirmed; Christians don't understand what the Wrath of God is.
Exerpt from Jack Sequeira's Message " Romans: The Clearest Gospel of All."
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(Romans 1:18-32)
Now Paul tackles the universal, the total sin problem of mankind, beginning with verse 18 of chapter one, right up to verse 20 of chapter three. It’s quite a big chunk that he deals with in regards to the sin problem. And the question we must ask is, “Why?” Why does he begin with the sin problem?
The gospel is God’s Good News not for good people, but for sinners. And first of all, he has to convince us that in us there is nothing good. He has to convince us that we, in and of ourselves, are helpless. He has to destroy in us every confidence in the flesh. Because the gospel is not for 80 percent sinners or 90 percent sinners; it is for 100 percent sinners.
So he plunges into the sin problem which we cannot cover in one study. It’s going to take three studies to deal with the sin problem. I want to warn you beforehand that Paul does paint a dark, dismal picture of the human race, to which you and I belong. It can be discouraging. So please don’t go home and plan to commit suicide. Because Paul has some wonderful good news beginning with chapter three, verse 21. In fact, he begins the gospel with two words: “But now.” After he has painted a dark, dismal picture of us, he says, “But now, don’t give up hope. I have good news.”
The stars shine the brightest on a night that is pitch dark. And it is only in the light of our total sinfulness that the gospel shines gloriously. So please remember that our next three studies are not pleasant, but something with which we need to come to grips.
Now I would also like to give you a little secret that I have discovered in my study of Pauline epistles: Paul’s method of writing is, often, he will make a statement. You need to look for those statements because, once he has made a statement, he will try to expound on it, or he will explain it, or he will defend it. The statement of our passage today is verse 18. The rest of the chapter, verses 19-32, is simply expounding what he says in verse 18. So we need to understand the statement first before we can understand what he’s trying to explain. What does he say in verse 18? He says:
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
That’s the statement. He begins with the wrath of God. Whenever we read that statement, “wrath of God,” it sometimes makes our knees shake. So I need to explain the word. When the Bible talks of God’s wrath, we must not equate it with human wrath. It is not some emotional anger or a loss of self-control, where He lashes out on those who are against Him. That is not the Biblical definition of wrath. In fact, this passage is one of the finest definitions of God’s wrath.
A lot of people reading the Old Testament think of God as a God of wrath, ready to bring fire down upon the human race or those who sin. But I would like to explain that God’s wrath is not like man’s wrath; in fact, James makes that clear. Man’s wrath and God’s wrath are not the same. So we must never try to understand the wrath of God by our understanding of human wrath.
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